Sunday, January 1, 2012

JBS emerges at Missoula City Council protest

A normally routine meeting of the Missoula City Council erupted as members of the John Birch Society began a protest of payments to the International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives, or ICLEI. The Missoulian's Keila Szpaller filed the story that included this:
The Southern Poverty Law Center, which fights racial injustice and monitors hate groups, considers the John Birch Society an anti-government "patriot" group. When the ICLEI membership raised concern in council chambers, the Human Rights Network linked the outcry to the John Birch Society and a fall speaking tour in Montana by Tom DeWeese, a leading critic of Agenda 21. Agenda 21 is a United Nations roadmap of sorts to sustainability, but its detractors see sustainability as a trap of "radical environmentalists" and a threat to private property rights.
Another member of the protest identified as Knox Harrington is quoted by Ms. Szpaller as saying:
He supports Ron Paul for his adherence to the constitution, and while he doesn't agree with every view the John Birch Society holds, he respects its efficacy: "It helped to get one of the champions of the Constitution into office, Congressman Ron Paul. So any organization that can do that time after time, they're doing something right, and that's what really attracted me."
You know a nerve has been struck when Bob Ellis emerges from his hibernaculum to comment on the Noem dust bill likely drafted, as Don Pay suggests, in the Koch wing of the cave.

Liberty apparently means having the right to pollute the ground you live on or 'own;' and, it's God's will if neurotoxins or antibiotics that you introduce drain into the next guy’s property.

Jon Huntsman takes on Ron Paul:




Will Rep. Paul leave the GOP after losing Iowa or will he wait until after losing South Carolina to run as a Libertarian choosing Gary Johnson as his running mate?

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

Libertarianism and green politics can mix.Both Greens and Libertarians have traditionally opposed corporatism (fascism), the Military-Industrial Complex, and centralized planning or state socialism. They have opposed the idea of corporate personhood and the idea of state sovereignty in which governments claim the right to maintain a monopoly on force and dictate laws and policies against the will and interests of the people. Friedrich Hayek argues that free and sustainable societies and economies which support them should follow general rules rather than particular economic regulations. One such rule might be "sustainability", or "you can't do anything to the environment which can't continue in perpetuity". This is also known as the "7th Generation Principle" for Native Americans. Don't do anything to the environment which will diminish resources and opportunities even so far as 7 generations in the future. The Green Party calls this "future focus." If strictly applied, this principle would end nearly all mining, oil and gas extraction, deforestation, and other major alterations of the natural environment for economic reasons. One problem is that while private corporations or individuals can be sued under the Common Law for damaging the environment, the government protects itself from the same suits. Therefore, green libertarians call for the abolition of sovereign immunity. Federal and state law is being amended by lobbyists for those who pollute or extract resources from public lands or waterways so that such actions can no longer be challenged in the courts.

Anonymous said...

As a free-market environmentalist,Ron Paul sees polluters as aggressors who should not be granted immunity or otherwise insulated from accountability. Paul argues that enforcing private property rights through tort law would hold people and corporations accountable, and would increase the cost of polluting activities—thus decreasing pollution.[231] He claims that environmental protection has failed due to lack of respect for private property:
The environment is better protected under private property rights ... We as property owners can't violate our neighbors' property. We can't pollute their air or their water. We can't dump our garbage on their property ... Too often, conservatives and liberals fall short on defending environmental concerns, and they resort to saying, "Well, let's turn it over to the EPA. The EPA will take care of us ... We can divvy up the permits that allow you to pollute." So I don't particularly like that method. Larry, you know how the EPA has worked in Basin. LOL Its time for real change

larry kurtz said...

If what you say is true, anon, then the movements you have described need to happen in local elections: like city and county commissions then state legislature.

Hayek was quoted at Madville Times recently, too.

I am a globalist and have no illusions that the US will adopt a solely protectionist view when the United States of Earth is as close at hand as it is in our lifetime.

We the People can't build a system of planetary defense by ourselves but we can harness the pecuniary powers of the earth haters through taxation. Remember that they have the most to lose by the collapse of American democracy.

There is no such thing as a "free market environmentalist." If some miracle of electoral hijinx were to make Ron Paul president, he would quickly fold into a facsimile of the George H. W. Bush that awarded Friedrich Hayek a Presidential Medal of Freedom: or just another subject of the New World Order.

larry kurtz said...

The Upper Ten-mile is on the list of the US top ten most poisoned places. The EPA did not cause 28 watersheds in the Helena National Forest to collapse but it has been trying to stabilize that material.

Ron Paul argues that the US should have bought the slaves from the Confederacy: maybe We the People should buy out Basin and Rimini then get serious about reclamation while metal prices are high.

larry kurtz said...

and Clancy, and Jeff City, and Wickes, and Corbin, and Alhambra....

Anonymous said...

Gov,t is not the solution,we are.(the problem is the solution) I recycle everything,I buy 95% of my products used from stores that then support the ones who need help. I am teaching people how to build the soil as they grow food for themselves.I live off the grid. I am constantly finding ways of reducing my wants and needs.My children turn the water off while they soap their hands or brush teeth.My inlaws are even using solar power and growing soil and food. 95% of the gifts I gave and received for Christmas were handmade or used items,less than $200 worth total.We even use reusable lids on our caning jars and wash our baggies.It all boils down to what each person does. People ARE waking up. We have to be an example and then it will spread,it has in my circle of friends. Do You shop at Walmart where all products are built in China? (they are made by slave labor and are highly toxic to the environment)Do you support wars that pollute the environment for thousands of years(The US and NATO militaries used DU penetrator rounds in the 1991 Gulf War, the Bosnia war,[15] bombing of Serbia, and the 2003 invasion of Iraq.) I do belive that the raping of the Earth must stop but your ideas on promote this. If I had the money to buy more land up to protect I would for sure!They should be teaching this topic in schools but they would rather prep our children for the american dream of perpetual consumerism! The depression will stop some of this uneeded spending and people will be thinking about needs not wants. Everything works in cycles and I think 2012 will be the start of a new (inlightened)one .PEACE

larry kurtz said...

CNN: Ron Paul won't run outside GOP. On Santorum: "too liberal."

Anonymous said...

Santorum: Ron Paul belongs to ‘Dennis Kucinich wing of the Democratic Party’

Bob Newland said...

I suspect Ron Paul, at 72 or whatever, has decided that if he is going to undergo the rigors of a presidential campaign, even those as minor as an underfunded Libertarian campaign, he might as well do so in a race he has the potential to win.

After running in several campaigns in SD as a Libertarian, or as a libertarian, I have come to that point.

larry kurtz said...

Was that an announcement, Bob?

larry kurtz said...

Where you at on Gary Johnson, fellers?

Anonymous said...

He is better than Obama.

Anonymous said...

THINGS I HEARD OVER BREAK - NYC conservatives associated with the Monday Meeting are planning to start raising money to target Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) in 2016 if his father, Ron Paul, mounts a third-party bid for the presidency and helps re-elect Obama...http://www.politico.com/morningmoney/0112/morningmoney551.html